Branch Davidians FAQ

What is the "latter rain" so often mentioned in the Branch Davidian Bible studies?

At the beginning of the book of Acts, the Holy Spirit is given to the disciples at Pentecost and Peter quotes from the Old Testament book of Joel "in the last days God says I will pour out my Spirit on all people" (Acts 2:17, Joel 2:28). Seventh-day Adventists note that earlier in the book of Joel it says "He sends abundant showers, both autumn and spring rains" (Joel 2:23) which in the King James Version is rendered "he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain and the latter rain" (Joel 2:23b KJV). Seventh-day Adventists argue that this is a reference to the outpouring of the Spirit, the "former rain" (spring rain) is the outpouring of the Spirit at Pentecost, recorded in Acts, and at the end of time there will be another outpouring, the "latter rain" (autumn rain). Branch Davidians follow Seventh-day Adventists in this interpretation, believing that at the end of time God's people will be greatly empowered by the Holy Spirit, and this empowering is referred to as the "latter rain".

It is interesting to note that the introduction of a "gap" between New Testament events and the end of time, introduced by Seventh-day Adventists is greatly developed by Branch Davidians. A initial reading of the New Testament would leave the reader with the impression that the writers of the New Testament believed they were living in the Last Days, hence references to the "Last Days" are simply descriptions of what the writer saw happening in their own time. However Seventh-day Adventists argue that prophecies of the Bible show the "Last Days" didn't begin until 1844, hence any reference to the Last Days in the New Testament must be a reference far into the writer's future, not to the writer's own time. Branch Davidians take this form of Biblical interpretation to its logical conclusion, identifying any prophecy not fulfilled in Christ to still be awaiting fulfillment. The prophecy of the sending of the Spirit in Joel is typical. Joel 2 not only speaks of "your sons and daughters will prophecy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions" (Joel 2:28), but also "the sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31). Seventh-day Adventists would separate these two prophecies, the first pointing to Pentecost (but also to the Latter Rain at the end of time) and the latter to the end of the world. Similarly Branch Davidians point to other prophecies from the Old Testament, some of which were fulfilled at Christ's first coming, but others remain to be fulfilled.

Taking those remaining prophecies, they are able to put together a description of another Messiah to come, the Messiah ("Annointed") called "Cyrus" described in Isaiah 45, who will bring in the Latter Rain ("you heavens above, rain down righteousness; let the clouds shower it down" Isaiah 45:8a).

What did Ben Roden, the founder of the Branch Davidians, teach?

Ben Roden basically taught that the people of God need to observe the biblical feast days: Passover, Pentacost, Day of Atonement, and Tabernacles, as opposed to "pagan" days such as Christmas and Easter. Ben Roden taught that within the harvest rites, were prophecies of the second coming.

Seventh-day Adventist Christians generally have a big bang harvest approach. That means that Jesus comes down, and takes all the good guys back to him. End of harvest story. Ben Roden, continuing on from Houteff, taught that as the ceremonial harvest rites were done in stages, so the harvest would also be done in stages.

The harvest rites of Leviticus 23 are, roughly in order:

PassoverThe first few grains of wheet
PentacostThe first fruits of the harvest which were waved before God.
TabernaclesThe final harvest.

Since Revelation calls the 144,000 firstfruits, Roden equated them with the Pentacost harvest. The Wavesheaf were the Passover harvest (only a very, very few) while the great multitude which no man can number (Revelation 7) were the rest of the good guys.

Roden said that before the second coming, these other groups had to be harvested.
WavesheafFind and gather the 144,000
144,000Face the beast, evangelize the world (Rev. 14)
Great multitudeThose gathered in by the 144,000.

The feast days showed all of this and Roden believed keeping them was better than keeping nonChristian (originally at least) holidays. Whereas SDAs taught that the Roman Catholic church chaned the Sabbath to Sunday and thereby fulfilled Daniel 7:25 (changing times and laws), Roden pointed out the times and laws mentioned in Daniel 7:25 were plural. The Sabbath is but one time, and one law. Roden said that the Roman Church changed the feasts to their own. e.g. Passover became Easter etc.

Finally about the BRANCH. Roden felt the scriptures mentioning the BRANCH were escatological in nature, and therefore did not point to Jesus Christ. He believed the BRANCH was a modern day David, who would deliver God's people.

Ben Roden was succeeded as Branch Prophet by his wife Lois Roden. Why didn't their son George Roden succeed Lois as Prophet?

George Roden tried to establish himself as Branch Davidian prophet, but was ousted by David Koresh (then called Vernon Howell). The Branch Davidian Bible studies from the 1980s contain references to George Roden's group, and to allogations made by George Roden against Vernon Howell.

George Roden is currently housed in a mental hospital for the criminally insane in Texas.  He split a man's head open with an ax - killing him.

What did Ben and Lois Roden Teach?

Lois Roden died in the late 80s. Her most well-know teaching was that the Holy Spirit is female.

There are very few (if any) on-line resources for teachings from Ben and Lois Roden, however Mark Swett who runs the Branch Davidian Resource Centre web site has nearly 30 cassette tapes of her Bible studies.

What about Branch Davidian Leaders to Succeed Koresh?

There appear to be no Branch Davidians to take over Koresh's role as leader and prophet, although there is one who claims to be having messages from God (see the http://www.sevenseals.com web site). The most charismatic Branch Davidian who looked at if he could have taken over leadership was a new member, a Militia person called Ron Cole.  However he was arrested for firearms violations and is facing a 10 year sentence in a Federal Prison.

Where can I get the Why Waco book from?

Why Waco is published in the U.S.  by The University of California Press.  It can be ordered on the Internet at http://www.amazon.com. Any good bookstore worldwide should be able to get it for you.