From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice)
Subject: Koresh Doctrine
Message-ID: <23APR199307050091@utarlg.uta.edu>
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 13:05:00 GMT
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[Note: This contains all 4 parts, concatenated.]
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Koresh Text from 3-02 (part 1 of 4) Analysts' Notes jst/sdt |
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March 2nd, 1993. |
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My name is Dave Koresh. I'm Speaking to |
I. Introduction to the Revelation |
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you from Mount Carmel center. The first |
of Jesus Christ. |
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thing that I would like to introduce, in |
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our subject, is the reasons for the reve- |
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lation of Jesus Christ. |
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A. The Reasons for |
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In the Book of Revelation, commentary |
1. To Show What Must Come. |
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states, that what John has written in |
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Scripture, is nothing other than the |
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revelation of Jesus Christ which God |
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gave to him, to show to his servants |
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things which must shortly come to pass. |
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And he sent and signified it, signified |
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it, by his angel unto his servant John. |
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Now, John bear the Record of God, and |
2. To Bless the Reader. |
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the Word of Christ, and of all things |
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that he saw. In the first chapter of |
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Revelation it says, "Blessed is the man, |
Rev. 1:3 |
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.. blessed is he that readeth, and they |
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that hear the words of this prophecy, |
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and those who "keep" the things that are |
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written therein, for the time is at |
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hand." |
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The Scripture states John writes this to |
3. To Address the Churches. |
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the seven churches which are in Asia: |
Rev. 1:11 |
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Ephesus, Smyrna, Thyatira, Sardis, Phil- |
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adelphia, Laodicea, so forth. Naturally, |
also Pergamos |
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we must understand that we're not in |
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Asia. These churches once existed long |
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ago, being beneficiaries of the power |
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and the gifts of the gospel. It was ori- |
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ginally introduced by, The Man himself. |
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Some knew him as Jesus Christ; others |
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knew him by the name -- Yeshua. |
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What we're trying to present today may |
4. To Impart the Burden of |
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in somewise shed a better light in re- |
Heart, Mind, and Spirit. |
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gards to my situation and my predicament |
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here at Mount Carmel. One point I'd like |
a. Record of Christ's life. |
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to bring out before we continue, is that |
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if we take a look at Matthew, Mark, Luke |
The Gospel Writers. |
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and John, we see the "burden of these |
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ancient writers:" the burden of heart, |
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the burden of mind and spirit, to put in |
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a scriptural record, their personal ex- |
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perience with Christ. A record that is |
b. For anyone to read. |
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to be received by men, all men, who will |
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receive it. |
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The point is true that not all have seen |
5. Witnesses of the Rejection |
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Christ, but it has been in the wisdom of |
of the Son of God. |
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God that certain men who were witnesses |
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of his life, and death, and resurrection, |
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that they would bear witness by the writ- |
a. Witnesses for Christ |
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ten word, and testify to the generations |
ie Apostles & Disciples |
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to come, of the terrible happening that |
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took place, when the men of that genera- |
cf. Prophets, as witnesses |
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tion would not believe in the man who |
for God |
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through so many obvious evidences proved |
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beyond shadows of doubt, that he was the |
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Son of God. |
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B. The Revealer: Jesus Christ. |
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1. Jesus Rejected. |
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But sad to say, if we take a look of the |
a. Left Juda under threat of |
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Record of John, the `Gospel Writer' of |
death. |
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John, say Chapter 7. We see in Scripture |
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John writes that after certain events, |
John 7:1 |
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after these things "Jesus walked in |
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Galilee:" he would not walk openly, "he |
Koresh is quoting the Bible, |
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would not walk in Jewry," he would not |
from the Book of John. |
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walk amongst the Jews, "because the Jews |
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sought to kill him." We might wonder |
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why? Wasn't Christ a such a good man?? |
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"Now the Jews' Feast of Tabernacles was |
b. His own brethren doubt him. |
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at hand. His brethren therefore said un- |
John 7:2 |
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to him, Depart hence, and go into Judea, |
John 7:3 |
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that thy disciples also may see thy |
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works that thou doeth. For there is no |
John 7:4 |
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man that doeth any thing in secret, and |
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he himself seeketh to be known openly. |
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If thou do these things, show thyself to |
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the world. For neither did his brethren |
John 7:5 |
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believe in him." Strange statement isn't |
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it? It's funny how that, when men live, |
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and have to deal with realities of life, |
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that even a man like Christ, can have to |
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meet with unbelief, even from his own |
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brethren. |
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"Then Jesus said unto them, My time is |
c. Hated by the world. |
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not yet come: but your time is alway |
John 7:6 |
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ready." And I'm sure most of all, bible |
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students will agree, the time referred |
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to, is the time of his crucifixion. They |
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wanted to kill him, and he didn't want |
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to show himself openly. |
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Then Jesus said unto them... <excuse me |
d. You are of the world. |
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uhnn>, (Verse 7) "The world can not hate |
<Koresh seems in pain.> |
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you; but me it hateth, because I testify |
John 7:7 |
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of it, that the works thereof are evil. |
John 7:8 |
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Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up |
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yet unto this feast; for my time is not |
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yet full come." When he said these words |
John 7:9 |
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to them while he abode still in Galilee. |
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"But when his brethren were gone up, |
e. Went to feast in secret. |
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then went he also up unto the feast, not |
John 7:10 |
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openly, but as it were in secret." You |
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would wonder why a man like Christ would |
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have something to hide? I mean surely, |
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the angels would protect him, obviously. |
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A person would think a lot of things |
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about this strange character, and dispo- |
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sition of character. |
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But we're sure -- being Christians -- |
f. Caused contention. |
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that Christ knew what he was doing. And |
Koresh is Christian?! |
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"the Jews [sought] him at the feast, and |
John 7:11 |
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said, Where is he? And there was much |
John 7:12 |
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murmuring among the people concerning |
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him: [for] some said, He is a good man: |
Rev. 7:1 |
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others said, Nay; but he deceiveth * the |
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people. Howbeit no man spake openly of |
John 7:13 |
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him for fear of the Jews." |
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Now we understand *the Jews at that time |
g. Backdrop: Corrupt leaders. |
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had their own religious-political net- |
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work, didn't they? They were pretty |
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strong in the religious spectrum, * al- |
* <child's voice> |
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though they had no actual political |
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power. They were subject to the Roman |
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government, and not to their own judi- |
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cial/levitical laws. |
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2. Taught with Authority. |
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"Now about the midst of the feast Jesus |
a. The people marvel. |
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went up into the temple, and taught. |
John 7:14 |
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And the Jews marvelled, saying, How |
John 7:15 |
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knoweth this man letters, having never |
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learned?" * Now in the days of Israel, * |
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most scholars * and teachers will agree, |
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* that the schools of Israel, ordained |
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by the Sanhedrin and also the Pharisees, |
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were schools similar to the uhh, ones |
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of our own theological schools of today. |
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Of which the careful student of Scrip- |
b. Insights to Scripture. |
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ture observes, that nowhere is it writ- |
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ten in the gospel that Christ ever at- |
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tended these schools. But at the age of |
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12, he did enter into the temple, and |
Luke 2:41-47 |
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had a most unique and interesting dis- |
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cussion with the religious leaders, of |
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which they were quite amazed at, such a |
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young lad's knowledge of Scripture. |
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Now this man was teaching something -- |
c. For it was God's teachings. |
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(no doubt Christ that is) that inspired |
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the people to say, (you know), "How |
John 7:15 cont. |
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knoweth this man (you know) letters |
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having never learned?" They marveled. |
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"Jesus answered them and [said], My doc- |
John 7:16 |
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trine is not mine, but his that sent |
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me." Now, what does that mean? "My doc- |
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trine is not mine, but his that sent me. |
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If any man, will" (do the will) "do his |
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will, he shall know [of] the doctrine, |
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whether it be of God, or whether I speak |
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of myself." |
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- - - : * Koresh Tells His Motives * |
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Now friends, people that love the Lord, |
There's a short break |
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this is where we begin to uhhh, talk |
from the message about |
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about some serious things. |
Christ here. |
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I'm sure you're all aware of how... how |
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I'm involved in a very serious thing |
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right now, and I'm sure that a lot of |
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you realize that I should be possibly |
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scared, concerned. There's women, child- |
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ren, and men involved, in our situation |
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here at Mount Carmel. But I am really |
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concerned about the lives of my brethren |
<- Concern for family. |
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here, and also, would be concerned even |
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greater, about the lives of all those in |
<- Concern for rest of world. |
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this world. |
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- - - : |
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3. Jesus is Our Hope. |
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You know, without Christ, without Jesus, |
a. God's law of righteousness. |
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we have no hope. Why? Well, because we |
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know that the standard of God's righ- |
Deu. 4,5,6 |
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teousness is Law, a law of the Ten Com- |
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mandments, a law of statutes and judg- |
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ments. And which God gave unto Moses |
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on Sinai, saying this is thy righteous- |
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ness, O Israel. |
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But you know, God also gave another law. |
b. Sacrifice as a shadow of |
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A law revolving around a system of shed- |
grace. |
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ding a poor and innocent lamb's blood. |
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So that all who would break the Law of |
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God, who would seek God for forgiveness |
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and pardon, had to bring a lamb, some- |
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thing innocent, and slay it -- although, |
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Israel themselves never really knew the |
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real meaning of this. Nonetheless, they |
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were commanded to do it. Also there were |
Lev. 12:6 |
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other sacrifices, such as: turtle-doves, |
Num. 19:2 |
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goats, oxen, red heifers. |
Heb. 9:12-14 |
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But, it was a very sophisticated and |
c. Social impacts. (An aside) |
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very prolific type system of worship. Of |
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course, God had to give these people |
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their own country. He had to give them |
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blessings and things, to be able to per- |
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form these, rituals. And naturally of |
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course, having to slay a lamb for your |
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sins or such sacrifices, it would defini- |
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tely keep a man on guard, not to sin too |
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much, because otherwise he could lose |
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the livestock pretty quick, couldn't he? |
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Well anyway, (thanks be unto God), from |
d. The Law and The Prophets |
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as far back as Deuteronomy 32, all the |
highlight God's mercy. |
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way through to Malachi, there has been |
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other writings, writings of the Proph- |
God's writings are His |
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ets. Writings who do not usurp the au- |
Word |
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thority of Moses, but actually exalt The |
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Law of Moses. But yet there's an addi- |
God's rock hard law |
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tional testimony. For the same God of |
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Heaven -- Who's rich in mercy -- has not |
God's loving mercy |
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only given to men a Law, but also a way |
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of escape, for those Repentant Souls who |
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might fall short of the glory of God's |
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law. Which some scholars will agree, |
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that the glory of God's law is that it's |
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a divine precept of His own character. |
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God's character is revealed in The Law. |
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Now, Christ is the only hope for a world |
e. Is Christ the Word of God? |
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that sins. Now, how do we know? Well -- |
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The Prophets -- have prophesied? But |
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what if we're not familiar with the |
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prophets? Well, were the Jews familiar |
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with the prophets when this Word-of-God |
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was made flesh? When Mary, The Virgin, |
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had a baby boy, did everyone believe, |
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that she was really a virgin when Christ |
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was conceived? |
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If we search the Scriptures, we'll find |
f. The Prophet's told. |
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in certain arguments the Pharisees con- |
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fronted Christ -- and said to him, "We |
John 8:41 |
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be not sons born of fornication." So |
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obviously, not everyone believed that he |
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was a child of a virgin birth! If they |
Prophets were ignored |
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hadn't looked back to Isaiah chapter 8, |
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and learned the mystery of Immanuel |
Isa. 7:14 |
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-- that a virgin would conceive and bear |
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a son -- then they might not really put |
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too much ahhm... [con]sistency into the |
<tape off & on> |
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fact that Christ at that day claimed to |
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be born of a virgin. I mean, if Isaiah |
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the prophet was a false prophet, well |
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then naturally they would conclude that |
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anyone claiming to have these things |
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fulfilled would be false, too. |
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But of course, Christ, he did something |
g. Miracles confirm. |
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more, than to just fulfill prophecy. He |
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did miracles. Miracles of mercy such as: |
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healing the sick, feeding the hungry, |
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raising the dead. And if we study we'll |
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see that "Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John" |
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gives us in somewhat, a full view of the |
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oppositions, and also, the confidements, |
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that he had in doing these miracles. He |
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gathered many unto him through the means |
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of these miracles. |
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But sad to say, even though he had done |
h. Those healed believed. |
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so many miracles, Scripture says, yet |
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when it came right down to it, they did |
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not believe in him. It's amazing to |
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think that even his own disciples for- |
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sook him -- except Mary Magdalene. She |
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stayed with him to the very end, didn't |
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she? Last to leave The Cross, first to |
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come to the sepulchre. * Now, we need to |
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sit here, and we need to ask ourselves |
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the question, `how come the men of that |
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generation did not believe in Christ?' |
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In Matthew 23, Christ had to say to the |
i. Christ confirmed by Prophets |
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Jews "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem" how often |
Mat. 23:37 |
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I would have gathered you, but you would |
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not. Why? He tells them that they |