So, unable to come up with any texts on "the law" referring to the Ten Commandments we have the usual name-calling: "ravening wolves..thorns, or figs of thistles.. evil fruit" I suppose I could find some texts about how wicked you are and send them back at you, but what is the point? We are supposed to be studying the Bible to find out what it means by "the law". > >This mail is make clear certain statements that you have said about myself >and Rick who have been posting responses to your mail. > >Your unfounded accusations about myself and Rick copying from some book must >be addressed. Why don't you come up with a Bible study showing how the Bible deals with the law and the Ten Commandments. This is what we are supposed to be debating. This is how to do it: 1. Locate all the references in the Bible to "Ten Commandments". See what it says. Summarise. 2. Locate all the references to "the law", see what is covered. Summarise. 3. Read the books of the law: Genesis to Deuteronomy. Summarise. 4. Keep an open mind. Pray. Meditate. 5. Write up your conclusions. Post. > >Certainly I would like to show the truth about what you have said in the >past In no way have I made any comments to you other than comment on your >ideas with Scripture. Your claim is not only a Lie but a total >misrepresentation of what myself and others have said. That Sir is the >fruit that you have shown. I believe that you owe me an apology or at the >least prove your allegations. If you can't then I hope the people who have >read your mails can take your misrepresentations into account. All I said was that Rick and yourself simply work with "proof texts". When I actually look up these "proof texts" they sometimes don't even cover what they are supposed to cover. Rick for example lists 13 "proof texts" on the Ten Commandments, only three of which actually refer to the Ten Commandments. He lists 13 "proof texts" on the "Mosaic Law" not one of which refers to "Mosaic Law". It just doesn't look like he read these texts before he quoted them. He must have got them from a book. Indeed One of the "Mosaic" texts was listed as: Was spoken by Moses Leviticus 1:1-3 Not only does this not contain any reference to the "Mosaic Law", the text actually says God spoke the law to Moses, so the comment isn't even correct. On 21 Sep you wrote: >The Law of God was given in Exodus chapter 20 by God Himself when he spoke >it to the people. Period. Read Exodus chapters 19-21 and you will see it >in it's totality. To which I replied: Well, Ex 20 is the Ten Commandments, but I don't see any references to Law of Moses and Law of God. Everything is the Law of God. For example Ex. 21:1, God says "these are the laws you are to set before them: If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years...", similarly Ex 25:1 "The LORD said to Moses...", Ex 30:11 "Then the LORD said to Moses..", Ex 30:17 "Then the LORD said to Moses..." so this all refers to the Law given by God to Moses. What are you trying to say here exactly? So here you seem to believe Ex 19-21 gives "the Law of God" whereas when I look it up most of it is what you would call "ceremonial law". Did you read it before you quoted the text? It doesn't look like it. In the same post you said: >As for the tablets read Exodus 20 and 21 you will find that God's Law was >written on them. No mystery there John just Scripture. To which I replied: OK, the Ten Commandments are Ex 20. (not 21, actually, this deals with servants and personal injuries). Where in Ex 20-21 does it say the Ten commandments were different to the rest of the Law being given? So here you refer me to Ex 21, which deals with servants and personal injuries. Again, it doesn't look as if you read the text, but got it from a "proof text" book. > >Your total disregard for veracity astounds me for someone who claims to be >Christian. I hope that the words that the Words of Christ in Matthew can >help temper your position. My comments were made with reference to your slack quoting of "proof texts". I always explained why I believed you were working with proof text books and not studying the Bible. If you come up with some evidence of having done a proper Bible study, and stop referring me to texts on servants and personal injuries then I wouldn't have that impression, would I? > >I leave you with the words of Solomon. > >Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 >"13 >Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his >commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. >14 >For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, >whether it be good, or whether it be evil. > > >May the God of Israel, the God of Solomon stand in judgement between you and >Myself, You're not coming up with any texts on "the law" being the Ten Commandments today are you? Try and prepare for next week. John